tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post3538040431401862665..comments2024-03-10T01:57:38.017-08:00Comments on NorCal Cazadora: Barack Obama, guns, hunting and youHolly Heyserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-12294783718278713132008-11-19T11:16:00.000-08:002008-11-19T11:16:00.000-08:00Economic meltdown. Iraq. Rising health care costs....Economic meltdown. Iraq. Rising health care costs. Iran. Climate change. North Korea. Did I mention economic meltdown? Call me crazy, but something tells me banning guns won't be high on Obama's list when he takes office.Langdon Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824455892396013221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-51363948635162202462008-11-17T20:51:00.000-08:002008-11-17T20:51:00.000-08:00Nah, no flames here! But I do think there's more s...Nah, no flames here! <BR/><BR/>But I <I>do</I> think there's more sincerity than that in politics. I've met a great many lawmakers on the left and right who truly do care about people and feel a sense of stewardship over the cities, states and nation they govern. <BR/><BR/>I also know that, come election time, it is all about manipulating the public to achieve power. And I know voters like to Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-7439477368295925432008-11-17T19:32:00.000-08:002008-11-17T19:32:00.000-08:00I might get flamed for this but I'll take a chance...I might get flamed for this but I'll take a chance. The inherent problem with any of these discussions is that they ignore the great probability that all of us -- me on the left, and you on the right -- are ultimately tools in the political game. The GOP effectively manipulates hard working people into believing that the party actually has their interests at heart. The Democrats manipulate the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-5649540019413246742008-11-17T14:45:00.000-08:002008-11-17T14:45:00.000-08:00Beautiful!Albert also hit a bulls-eye with the not...Beautiful!<BR/><BR/>Albert also hit a bulls-eye with the notion of mentoring the next generation of hunters and joining the NRA or another organization that will fight for your gun and hunting rights.Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-38326604192888755572008-11-17T14:35:00.000-08:002008-11-17T14:35:00.000-08:00Absolutely!I am writing Mr. Obama as you read this...Absolutely!<BR/>I am writing Mr. Obama as you read this and everyone should take the time to express your (civil) opinions to him.<BR/><BR/>Just as your paycheck reflects your comfort and satisfaction level if you do not ask for a raise. <BR/>If we do not make our concerns known to our politicians it will be assumed that all is well and that we are happy.Nativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07689689976933684301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-72780514830359878622008-11-17T12:52:00.000-08:002008-11-17T12:52:00.000-08:00Howdy All!Holly, well put. I'm going to sit my bi...Howdy All!<BR/><BR/>Holly, well put. I'm going to sit my big rear end down and write President Elect Obama a well thought out note. No I didn't vote for him, but I can write to him and tell him exactly how I think about certain things.<BR/><BR/>It is what we have been talking about for a long time. If you are not going to take concrete steps - ie: take kids shooting, fishing, camping; write toAlbert A Raschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11431765456546701021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-70560831180669884202008-11-17T09:20:00.000-08:002008-11-17T09:20:00.000-08:00That's fine, Jesse. But Obama's gonna be our presi...That's fine, Jesse. <BR/><BR/>But Obama's gonna be our president for the next four years. What are you going to do to try to ensure your rights are <I>not</I> eroded or taken away?Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-22172496250697045592008-11-17T08:53:00.000-08:002008-11-17T08:53:00.000-08:00All right, folks, great discussion! Sorry to have ...All right, folks, great discussion! Sorry to have been absent from it - been hunting all weekend (with nothing to show for it).<BR/><BR/>Couple thoughts:<BR/><BR/>First: Jesse, after Hurricane Katrina, Barack Obama actually <I>supported</I> the Vitter Amendment, which would have stripped all federal disaster relief funding from local governments that seize citizens' firearms in times of crisis. <Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-11315797946468891352008-11-17T08:44:00.000-08:002008-11-17T08:44:00.000-08:00Just under half the nation DID NOT vote for Obama....Just under half the nation DID NOT vote for Obama. Gun and ammo distributors had a run on their shelves the past 2 weeks. Many citizens see the writing on the wall and Obama for what he truly is.<BR/><BR/>Our Missouri native son Mark Twain said it best concerning a man's beliefs.<BR/><BR/>"You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is."<BR/><BR/>Let's be honest,Jesses Hunting And Outdoorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10336422672611416538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-14541343370295215212008-11-17T06:04:00.000-08:002008-11-17T06:04:00.000-08:00Excellent thoughts Foe and Angiesinclair. Only, k...Excellent thoughts Foe and Angiesinclair.<BR/> <BR/>Only, keep in mind that it was we Americans who had to air drop firearms into England so that the populace could protect themselves from Hitler's troops, After, English Parliament "removed firearms" from their very own people just a short couple of decades earlier!<BR/><BR/>I am more worried that we will be in just that very same position Nativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07689689976933684301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-22416632880187026232008-11-16T22:30:00.000-08:002008-11-16T22:30:00.000-08:00I'm a liberal and a progressive, the type most of ...I'm a liberal and a progressive, the type most of you would disdain unless, maybe, you met me and realized that so many of the stereotypes are just that -- generalities that have no bearing on the actual person and their beliefs. My father is a staunch GOP conservative and we manage to agree on many issues of education, of veterans affairs, of freedom of worship and separation of church and stateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-77298359319514682882008-11-16T22:23:00.000-08:002008-11-16T22:23:00.000-08:00Pardon the length of this response - I realize I'v...Pardon the length of this response - I realize I've gone on much longer than I intended to.<BR/>As a liberal reader of this blog, I realize that I fall into a somewhat unusual category, but having read other kind and sensitive discussions (ex: questions from a non-hunter), I feel that my 2 cents can be discussed by this group in an honest and thoughtful way. One fact: I voted for Barack Obama. angesinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03136634729610527582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-9535984764127426962008-11-16T20:56:00.000-08:002008-11-16T20:56:00.000-08:00*nods head* I totally agree. Put pen to paper, o...*nods head* <BR/><BR/>I totally agree. Put pen to paper, or fingers to keyboard and send a letter.SimplyOutdoorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14074585345161430068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-13290482857189868122008-11-16T20:14:00.000-08:002008-11-16T20:14:00.000-08:00Here Here!I am with you on all points 45. The fai...Here Here!<BR/>I am with you on all points 45. The fairness doctrine will be worse than any Political Correctness agenda ever thought of being.<BR/><BR/>What is happening with Obama is the same thing that happened with Hitler,Mao,Stalin and all the rest, the youth got so wrapped up in the proposed "change" that they did not reaize what they got themselves into until it was too late.Nativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07689689976933684301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-47663271291756235522008-11-16T09:04:00.000-08:002008-11-16T09:04:00.000-08:00Great point, but I disagree with you. Obama is lo...Great point, but I disagree with you. Obama is looking to use the Executive Order to get a lot of his agenda done early in the first 90 days. An EO takes effect immediately, and does not take the time you were discussing it would take to get through legislation.<BR/><BR/>Another important point -- his right hand man Rahm Emmanuelle is not just going to push a Ban as the Clintons did -- he's HK_USP_45https://www.blogger.com/profile/00425516527852291133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-92020839887343057982008-11-15T19:16:00.000-08:002008-11-15T19:16:00.000-08:00P.S. After some folks watched that debacle in New ...P.S. After some folks watched that debacle in New Orleans some states passed legislation saying citizens can't be disarmed during disasters. <BR/><BR/>LOL. That's what the 2nd amemdment is all about, or sposed to be about anyways, to those who have the sense to follow the constitution. That new legislation isn't worth the paper it's printed on.<BR/><BR/>As far as jumping into bed with Obama and Jesses Hunting And Outdoorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10336422672611416538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-26265297704464876812008-11-15T19:02:00.000-08:002008-11-15T19:02:00.000-08:00We're one martial law declaration away from having...We're one martial law declaration away from having our guns taken.<BR/><BR/>Anybody that thinks the goobermint or Prez can't confiscate your guns is a fool. One only has to go back to Katrina when the local sheriff was shoving down and disarming elderly women who dared to arm themselves in their own homes.<BR/><BR/>As I type this SoCal is on fire and looting alerts are coming over the scanners Jesses Hunting And Outdoorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10336422672611416538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-10629060941111887602008-11-15T18:12:00.000-08:002008-11-15T18:12:00.000-08:00Great article, Ms. Cazadora. There is a movement ...Great article, Ms. Cazadora. There is a movement afoot to move hunting and gun rights out of the right-wing. If successful, we could return to the more clear-eyed views of conservation that were espoused by TR, Aldo Leopold and others. <BR/>Check out this op-ed piece in High Country News for a similar perspective:<BR/>http://www.hcn.org/issues/40.19/why-we-all-need-the-democrats-to-abandon-gunJoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409883521642115031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-85244317319528236522008-11-15T08:01:00.000-08:002008-11-15T08:01:00.000-08:00Good advise Holly go lightly!I don't like the guy ...Good advise Holly go lightly!<BR/>I don't like the guy one single bit but, you have inspired me to write a letter explaining to him why I<BR/> "Cling to my gun's and my religion"Nativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07689689976933684301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-46062816124710256392008-11-15T07:46:00.000-08:002008-11-15T07:46:00.000-08:00thank you for another excellent post and I think y...thank you for another excellent post and I think you've inspired me to do something I've never done before - write a letter to a politician.Blessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00029860506890356566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-43101341231739333082008-11-15T07:14:00.000-08:002008-11-15T07:14:00.000-08:00I like others tend to shy away from political disc...I like others tend to shy away from political discussion because quite frankly I have better things to do than talk the talk.<BR/><BR/>but,<BR/><BR/>I am not ashamed to say I voted for the other guy and I'm afraid in the long run we will be paying for our ignorance in voting Obama in as President.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-92062649863369153842008-11-15T06:28:00.000-08:002008-11-15T06:28:00.000-08:00Well put.Well put.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com