tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post4523712533244507724..comments2024-03-10T01:57:38.017-08:00Comments on NorCal Cazadora: My hunting ethics - what I believe, and whyHolly Heyserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-76608800221239422492012-02-05T22:10:07.606-08:002012-02-05T22:10:07.606-08:00My ethics when it comes to taking a life align ver...My ethics when it comes to taking a life align very closely with yours. The only real difference between the two of us is that I'm more of a fisherman than a hunter, and in fact haven't hunted in years. I enjoy the taste of wild game, but never enjoyed the hunt.Willhttp://www.littletexasgarden.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-5931014744262099592012-01-23T08:57:36.681-08:002012-01-23T08:57:36.681-08:00Serjio, I don't personally know of any women w...Serjio, I don't personally know of any women who can teach you, but I think there are a substantial number of men who share my values as well, so your best bet is to look for any educational opportunities you can get. Good place to start? Click <a href="http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/index.asp#Education" rel="nofollow">here</a> for the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife'Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-39186993371159625922012-01-22T13:49:19.767-08:002012-01-22T13:49:19.767-08:00HI Hollie,
I read your post and definitely I shar...HI Hollie,<br /><br />I read your post and definitely I share most of your value. I never hunted (when I was kids i had hard time to see animal being killed and I was against Hunting. I never used firearm in my life (I was living in Europe for most of my life so I am not into guns at all..). However since I moved to the NW (Portland) I kind of developed some interesting as you said to try to get serjiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551484810364097129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-57922403915652349472011-12-28T19:33:50.138-08:002011-12-28T19:33:50.138-08:00Holly, I truly agree with all what you say here. I...Holly, I truly agree with all what you say here. I could not say it better myself. I can add that if an animal roams free and unrestricted, if it is free to avoid you, I believe is OK to use whatever legal method of take is available. I do feel sorry for the animals I kill, but I fell the same for the cows who's meat I buy in Safeway, just less personal. It does not prevent me from enjoying Sergeinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-41565470032783893622011-12-27T16:37:39.323-08:002011-12-27T16:37:39.323-08:00Thank you for posting your interest and enthusiasm...Thank you for posting your interest and enthusiasm in hunting. I have never hunted before, but I have fired a shotgun, a rifle and a pistol. My 19 year old daughter and I want to learn to hunt turkey or pheasant and possibly ducks. I'm looking forward to any women's hunting training that might come up again this spring.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053372274223608977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-25084979465912399912011-10-30T04:32:06.051-07:002011-10-30T04:32:06.051-07:00Great post!
I'm always glad to hear when some...Great post!<br /><br />I'm always glad to hear when someone has switched completely to non-lead ammunition, even if it's just for the convenience of not switching back and forth. I personally prefer non-lead ammo for a number of reasons. <br /><br />Like you, I've seen the video footage of eagles dying of lead poisoning. It's disturbing to say the least. I've also spoken with Ronhttp://www.huntingwithnonlead.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-17003630573167184082011-04-10T19:07:25.074-07:002011-04-10T19:07:25.074-07:00Thanks, mbeck! I just checked out the piece, and I...Thanks, mbeck! I just checked out the piece, and I am completely willing to set aside the politics and hullabaloo surrounding the author and address what he has to say.<br /><br />I think there's a kernel of important truth there - a group of people that feels the needs to trumpet its ethics might be assumed to be <a href="http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-30979200627844875072011-04-10T14:16:18.880-07:002011-04-10T14:16:18.880-07:00I like your Blog! Check this out, just something t...I like your Blog! Check this out, just something to make us all think.<br />I'm not sure how you feel about the author but it shouldn't really matter.<br />Your choices are yours and I have no problem with any of "your" choices.<br /><br />http://www.nrahuntersrights.org/Article.aspx?id=199mbeckhttp://mnbbeck.posterous.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-41389535633959800132011-04-02T18:25:32.239-07:002011-04-02T18:25:32.239-07:00Thanks, Bill. I have two thoughts on your question...Thanks, Bill. I have two thoughts on your question:<br /><br />The first is "Hell yes," and it seems strange that we have to justify or defend hunting <em>at all</em>. To me it's just a sign of how far removed from nature humanity has become.<br /><br />The second is we don't really <em>have</em> to post manifestos. I do because while I know it's mostly hunters here, I <em>Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-44899626194514425242011-04-02T14:11:28.636-07:002011-04-02T14:11:28.636-07:00Very nice and well put. I've been wanting to p...Very nice and well put. I've been wanting to put down my thoughts on this as well and you hit on some very succinct stuff that I haven't really fleshed out yet. Well done!<br /><br />However, does it seem strange to anyone else that we actually have to have these "manifestos" to justify what we do?Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03897187737679897871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-62745431295383953602011-03-29T15:11:43.186-07:002011-03-29T15:11:43.186-07:00Dude, the ONLY way I shoot deer is when they'r...Dude, the ONLY way I shoot deer is when they're flying! LOL.<br /><br />This is definitely a to-each-his-own situation for me. For example, last summer I shot a barn rabbit that apparently hadn't been exposed to hunters because when he saw me, he didn't run for his life. (Blogged about it <a href="http://norcalcazadora.blogspot.com/2010/07/killing-barn-rabbit-unsporting.html" rel="Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-49215160572735931212011-03-29T14:36:31.586-07:002011-03-29T14:36:31.586-07:00I agree with much of what you say. One point I di...I agree with much of what you say. One point I disagree with is shooting birds on the ground. I can't speak for waterfowl since I unfortunately haven't had the chance to try it. But for upland birds, I hunt grouse and woodcock, I would never shoot a bird on the ground. Last season a hunting companion did just that and I was disgusted. For me, hunting isn't about how much game I erich hahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10258874001588593423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-23213088446252526802011-03-28T12:11:57.188-07:002011-03-28T12:11:57.188-07:00I'm a meat hunter right now, though I can see ...I'm a meat hunter right now, though I can see myself potentially upping the ante as I improve - passing on some animals and waiting for something more special is a way to increase personal challenge.<br /><br />Do I care if other people trophy hunt? Not particularly. But I think the word "trophy" is problematic in the same way I think "sport hunting" is problematic: Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-85002244892664289572011-03-28T11:34:14.623-07:002011-03-28T11:34:14.623-07:00Holly, how do you officially feel about trophy hun...Holly, how do you officially feel about trophy hunting and duck snobery? My personal feeling is it's not something I'm interested in right now since I'd rather take guaranteed meat now, but can easily see how I might progress to that. If people are passing on shots, then I guess trophy hunting is having less of an impact on the population. More for me, but also more habitat DarrenMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292236956207462996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-10663798163125339282011-03-27T16:21:26.647-07:002011-03-27T16:21:26.647-07:00It's osteo, and quite genetic: It hit me when ...It's osteo, and quite genetic: It hit me when I turned 30, hit my mom when she turned 30, hit her mom when she turned 30. Responds well to glucosamine, though.<br /><br />Re kids, the reason I don't have kids is much like the reason I don't have hunting dogs: I'm sure it would be wonderful, but I love the freedom I have without them. It's just a happy side effect that I'm Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-76955890750186828072011-03-27T13:07:27.920-07:002011-03-27T13:07:27.920-07:00For my own health, my new lifestyle is probably to...<i>For my own health, my new lifestyle is probably too little too late. I already have arthritis. If I'm to get cancer, the seeds were planted long ago. Already went through the whole appendix thing. Diabetes? The seeds for that may have been sown as well</i><br /><br />This is probably better for a personal email, but my former endocrinologist had great success in turning around so many of Ingridnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-84604383208681228502011-03-27T10:29:20.554-07:002011-03-27T10:29:20.554-07:00Ah, Ingrid, I wondered when I'd see you here!
...Ah, Ingrid, I wondered when I'd see you here!<br /><br />You're right about the grain-based diet, and my sentiments extend to eating animals that have been put <em>unnaturally</em> on the grain-based diet: It's bad for us, it's bad for them, and when we eat animals that have eaten that way, we get more of the bad fat and less of the good fat.<br /><br />I've just finished a Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-78361227289556100092011-03-26T23:47:52.390-07:002011-03-26T23:47:52.390-07:00Excellent post, Holly. You and I differ on many to...Excellent post, Holly. You and I differ on many topics, but how can I argue with such a thorough treatise on hunting ethics? It's inspiring me to perhaps add some things to my photography ethics statement. :)<br /><br />I agree with everyone here, that "clean kill" ought to always top the list. If one engages in this sport, please (as you say) be attentive to the responsibility of Ingridhttp://www.thefreequark.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-8994845228117984912011-03-26T15:37:18.249-07:002011-03-26T15:37:18.249-07:00Lord, we've had to cancel a trout fishing trip...Lord, we've had to cancel a trout fishing trip THREE TIMES in the past few weeks because of the wretched series of storms we've had come through here. Believe me, I want him to feed me some trout too!Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-59089599303666044212011-03-26T15:12:27.807-07:002011-03-26T15:12:27.807-07:00Not in the least Holly! I'm kind of Switzerla...Not in the least Holly! I'm kind of Switzerland on this issue, and kidding to some extent about trout owing me a debt of gratitude. My best memories in life have largely circled around wetting a line with my family and friends. Much of that has been catch and release, but I've certainly spent my fair share of time around the fryer as well. <br /><br />I'm thrilled that you enjoy Gary Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15023031956233923783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-25193727308692941312011-03-26T12:38:37.772-07:002011-03-26T12:38:37.772-07:00Gary, you crack me up because I hadn't even th...Gary, you crack me up because I hadn't even thought to mention laws in my ethics page because I take for granted that we follow the laws - even the ones that irritate us - because on the whole they are designed to preserve the species we hunt and fish.<br /><br />As for the trout: I haven't eaten them much, but I distinctly remember going to a black Southern fish fry and eating, oh, threeHolly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-70625555198325922792011-03-26T07:58:40.375-07:002011-03-26T07:58:40.375-07:00Great piece. I so enjoy reading your work. It ma...Great piece. I so enjoy reading your work. It makes me think, a difficult proposition at best these days - for me anyway.<br /><br />Your remarks concerning catch and release fishing surprised me. I guess I had never thought about it before, but it sure is an interesting perspective. I fish for food and I fish for pleasure. It's fair to say my conviction rests in neither camp. An avid Gary Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15023031956233923783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-27552040001950217002011-03-25T13:02:16.729-07:002011-03-25T13:02:16.729-07:00Richard: Thanks! But as I just said over on Tovar&...Richard: Thanks! But as I just said over on Tovar's blog, this may not be a community of highly ethical hunters, compared with the norm; it may just be that we're a community that articulates our ethics well (and really enjoys discussing the subject).<br /><br />There are plenty of hunters who might never write or say the things we're saying here who nonetheless agree with a lot of Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-13820232694621962452011-03-25T08:19:42.279-07:002011-03-25T08:19:42.279-07:00Holly,
Check out On Your Own Adventures on the Spo...Holly,<br />Check out On Your Own Adventures on the Sportsmen's Channel, produced and hosted by founding board member of Orion-The Hunters' Institute Randy Newberg. <br />Also I've just read a new book, "The Good, The Bad & The Difference", by Michael Sabbeth. Although it isn't about hunting it does a great job in laying out how to think thru ethical and moral Eric C. Nusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08415209205400590485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-60870493250836281212011-03-25T07:21:40.206-07:002011-03-25T07:21:40.206-07:00Great post, Holly. And brave, too.
Between 6000 ...Great post, Holly. And brave, too.<br /><br />Between 6000 and 10,000 years ago, humans learned to garden - to grow the same crops repeatedly. This led to the demise of hunting & gathering in many cultures. <br /><br />I don't agree that it was the biggest mistake of the human race. And I'm confident that we would destroy the earth's systems in a matter of months if humans went Kirk Mantayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556560258304201823noreply@blogger.com