tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post8383432502752035661..comments2024-03-10T01:57:38.017-08:00Comments on NorCal Cazadora: When a hunter thinks like a veganHolly Heyserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-35028198323511306212011-06-13T16:49:45.426-07:002011-06-13T16:49:45.426-07:00Hey all, I've written a follow-up to this post...Hey all, I've written a follow-up to this post (and it's - I think - far less depressing). You can check it out <a href="http://norcalcazadora.blogspot.com/2011/06/when-hunter-thinks-like-vegan-part-ii.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-52560070328428548882011-06-10T12:07:39.551-07:002011-06-10T12:07:39.551-07:00Wow, that's really nice - thank you so much!Wow, that's really nice - thank you so much!Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-83428915512683073782011-06-10T11:21:25.039-07:002011-06-10T11:21:25.039-07:00Such a great post. I too am glad you did not click...Such a great post. I too am glad you did not click delete.<br /><br />My two very best friends in the world are vegans. And they annoy pretty much everyone else in my life, because my social world is mostly comprised of a) hunters, b) foodies and c) people who care very much about a just world, but either don't put top prioritization on animal raising or haven't been able to remove Jessicahttp://www.camotrading.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-61044733855504426122011-05-26T10:00:45.178-07:002011-05-26T10:00:45.178-07:00There's nothing graceful about it. We live a ...There's nothing graceful about it. We live a fitful existence and die, and regardless of what happens after that, we most certainly cease to experience the earth as touching, smelling, tasting human beings. <br /><br />Shouldering the burden of humanity's failures is a heavy load. Reminding oneself of it sometimes heightens the value of our experiences. That's one reason I've Kirk Mantayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556560258304201823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-29625152103571399582011-05-22T13:55:34.335-07:002011-05-22T13:55:34.335-07:00Chas: great comment.
As a wise old Judeo- Buddhis...Chas: great comment.<br /><br />As a wise old Judeo- Buddhist poet says: "There's a crack in everything...<br />It lets the light shine in".<br />- Leonard CohenSteve Bodiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434597061701369867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-29768734083291864682011-05-21T15:45:32.288-07:002011-05-21T15:45:32.288-07:00Chas: Yeah, I know where I need to go. Still just ...Chas: Yeah, I know where I need to go. Still just working on reconciling caring deeply with not giving a shit (in every aspect of my life, not just my deep disappointment with humanity).<br /><br />SBW: Oh, is <em>that</em> who did that bumper sticker...Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-256397510920296792011-05-21T14:54:26.594-07:002011-05-21T14:54:26.594-07:00Good call Chas
A crazy pagan shrink/witchdoctor on...Good call Chas<br />A crazy pagan shrink/witchdoctor once put it<br />"Ah another shitty day in paradise"<br /><br />Whatchagonnado?<br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-74256615801859972782011-05-21T13:13:24.831-07:002011-05-21T13:13:24.831-07:00I am coming late to this discussion, but I think t...I am coming late to this discussion, but I think that you are discovering what the Christians call Original Sin--that we are flawed no matter how we try--or what the Buddhists call the First Noble Truth--that even if you are rich, you cannot escape feeling and causing suffering. (The vegans are caught up in that one too.)<br /><br />Philosophers like Nietzsche and Adorno talk about "tragic Chas S. Cliftonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00923547685265741325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-81319598166110704702011-05-20T08:48:58.901-07:002011-05-20T08:48:58.901-07:00I found this article interesting; thought you migh...I found this article interesting; thought you might too. Haven't eaten squirrel yet but .....<br /><br />http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/05/20/give-squirrel-a-whirl/#comments<br /><br />Chris Lewisneonaura@comcast.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115059485668298492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-19014127918702076692011-05-18T10:09:10.331-07:002011-05-18T10:09:10.331-07:00Jean: Good lord, I haven't heard Sgt. Schultz&...Jean: Good lord, I haven't heard Sgt. Schultz's name invoked in a LONG time!<br /><br />Tamar: That may well be true, but unless you've hunted a LOT more than you've written about, it may take a little more time for you to start to feel what I'm talking about. It was not by any means instant with me - not love at first sight.<br /><br />But I agree totally that the planet willHolly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-9449735749837148392011-05-18T06:33:27.811-07:002011-05-18T06:33:27.811-07:00It’s an intellectual and philosophical journey tha...It’s an intellectual and philosophical journey that even those of us that aren’t vegans or hunters have embarked upon.<br /><br />Some of the themes running through your post and the previous comments are in line with where this journey has led me to date:<br /><br />1. Humans are part of the natural world, environment, and ecology. It’s in our nature to manipulate, which includes damaging, our Pete Conradnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-53270074200928317112011-05-18T04:55:07.441-07:002011-05-18T04:55:07.441-07:00Holly - I have to offer one small correction to yo...Holly - I have to offer one small correction to your post -- every hunter you know, except one, says hunting provides a connection to nature. For me, it doesn't. While I'm capable of enjoying the woods (or the water, if it's fishing), I don't feel any real relationship with nature. Which probably explains my take on your ideas about this.<br /><br />I'm with Anthony Lynn. Tamar@StarvingofftheLandhttp://www.starvingofftheland.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-60428796428257365402011-05-17T11:31:54.804-07:002011-05-17T11:31:54.804-07:00What follows is overly random thoughts:
Is life m...What follows is overly random thoughts:<br /><br />Is life merely a function devised to speed up entropy? What if it is? We are so small. Even though we seem to dig big holes. <br /><br />Let the universe figure itself out and accept your part. It doesn't make a whole lot of difference if you don't, but life is less pain that way.<br /><br />Without cars, I would not know the poetry of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-8071387084639388802011-05-17T09:27:51.108-07:002011-05-17T09:27:51.108-07:00Matt: Personally, I'm bathing my pain in Newca...Matt: Personally, I'm bathing my pain in Newcastle right now, because we had a skunked case and Hank didn't want it. I've made it my mission to finish it off before he gets back from this leg of his book tour. Won't be too hard.<br /><br />SBW: Well, there's a thought. Come to think of it, no one's ever accused me of being graceful at anything...<br /><br />Anonymous: Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-85330446810083421772011-05-17T08:29:00.678-07:002011-05-17T08:29:00.678-07:00Yes. That. SO much of that. So, I do things like g...Yes. That. SO much of that. So, I do things like go to the Buckeye Gathering. I remind myself to live simply, or as simply as I can manage on any given day. I do what I can to make my own, grow my own, or find people on the local community that do. It's not an all-at-once fix, but it's how I live within our culture without losing my sanity ;)<br /><br />~MoniqueDorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08160427459716669970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-62750045220606657692011-05-17T07:37:08.511-07:002011-05-17T07:37:08.511-07:00Yay! I loved this post, and I will surely circulat...Yay! I loved this post, and I will surely circulate it among my non-hunting, vegan and vegetarian friends. I think it's good to be conscious of our choices and trying to make sustainable ones (travel mugs, home gardens, canvas bags - although I think most of these are made in China, which isn't so sustainable), but at the end of teh day, we're the only species that constantly feels Shotgun Kathttp://www.edgebyexpedite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-65518392760936765982011-05-17T06:12:08.694-07:002011-05-17T06:12:08.694-07:00I like SW and Phillip's responses. For many re...I like SW and Phillip's responses. For many reasons (life's experiences?) I am an utter fatalist and can only do as well as I can, live gracefully gratefully and lightly. Beyond that is out of my control-- life on the planet ebbs and flows and all is flux and flow-- to try to control it seems vain...<br /><br />I also LIKE shotguns (and hawks and hounds) but that is another story for Steve Bodiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434597061701369867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-11558609523331796402011-05-17T05:17:51.779-07:002011-05-17T05:17:51.779-07:00At risk of coming off flip again, Holly, the best ...At risk of coming off flip again, Holly, the best solution I've found is my own, agnostic version of the Serenity Prayer.<br /><br />Just leave off the first word if you prefer, or replace it with the deity, spiritual guide, or idea that you choose. The power isn't so much in who you pray to, as it is in the simple concept of these short little phrases...<br /><br />* The serenity to Philliphttp://www.hog-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-52631397848624987562011-05-17T01:36:44.443-07:002011-05-17T01:36:44.443-07:00As individuals, yes we can become better. As a gr...As individuals, yes we can become better. As a group the greed factor will always be the biggest rapist, never to be conquered.<br /> I feel great loss for the areas I have lost forever to summer homes and mines. <br /> I regret the kill,and yet it will be replaced by another. The summer homes,strip mines and tree farms are forever. Or is it my forever and just a moment in time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-21466835646138510202011-05-17T00:25:30.888-07:002011-05-17T00:25:30.888-07:00Holly
"Pulvis et umbra sumus" - We are ...Holly<br /><br />"Pulvis et umbra sumus" - We are but dust and shadow.<br /><br />and maybe acceptance doesn't have to be graceful to start?<br /><br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-89882729565464578882011-05-16T21:11:50.618-07:002011-05-16T21:11:50.618-07:00Depression is a tough one. It's all about put...Depression is a tough one. It's all about puting too much thought into the past. You know what it is and I'm sure you know the ins and outs of the chemistry behind it, but I don't think that's what you're looking for at this moment. I could be wrong. Pills and therapy have been my answer. Excercise, etc... All that bullshit that everyone always says... bla bla bla. TheMatt Amesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-74427494515678261402011-05-16T20:47:32.890-07:002011-05-16T20:47:32.890-07:00And: I think it's definitely a sign of how fre...And: I think it's definitely a sign of how freakin' weird I am that the two ads that I see underneath these comments are for "Healthy Vegetarian Eating" and "Canada's Hunting Hotspot."Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-22121731910372740132011-05-16T20:34:33.353-07:002011-05-16T20:34:33.353-07:00Ingrid, I had a feeling you'd understand even ...Ingrid, I had a feeling you'd understand even while disagreeing with some parts.<br /><br />My weird dissonance is that while I hate everything that civilization has done to the planet, I find civilization enormously entertaining. I like jazz, Manhattan, the internet, high-end cuisine and YouTube videos. Sometimes it's very hard not to be amused and delighted by our own cleverness.<br /><Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-18169094884370939802011-05-16T18:11:24.647-07:002011-05-16T18:11:24.647-07:00Holly, what an interesting post, thanks very much ...Holly, what an interesting post, thanks very much for writing it. As you know I struggle with these same questions from a different part of the philosophical spectrum, as a non-hunter and an animal advocate. And I have no answers for anyone else, only my personal points of view.<br /><br />I do disagree that a food choice like veganism, undertaken to benefit animals, necessarily stems from ingridhttp://www.thefreequark.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-22129637361266858302011-05-16T17:44:19.386-07:002011-05-16T17:44:19.386-07:00Anonymous: But can we do it? Is it right for me to...Anonymous: But can we do it? Is it right for me to condemn as fantasy the vegan moral construct - which vegans view as a noble and worthwhile goal - and simultaneously indulge in my own version of hope for humanity to overcome what I see as its key flaws - not the fact that we eat meat, but rather our general rape of nature?<br /><br />Darren: I'm not with you on nuke power, though I see whatHolly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.com