tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post8396141125594085566..comments2024-03-10T01:57:38.017-08:00Comments on NorCal Cazadora: Good reading: 'Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat: Why It's So Hard to Think Straight About Animals'Holly Heyserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-34042634302109008412011-09-16T12:10:42.629-07:002011-09-16T12:10:42.629-07:00My copy from inter - library loan finally arrived...My copy from inter - library loan finally arrived today! I can see now my weekend nose will be buried in this volume! Thanks again for bringing this book to our attention!Gretchen Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10536860716461787275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-8064599644434794642011-08-19T19:06:33.932-07:002011-08-19T19:06:33.932-07:00Who knows - I might be able to do it. But hunting ...Who knows - I might be able to do it. But hunting has completely changed my relationship with animals, so I'm not so certain anymore.<br /><br />The test would be chicken. I love chicken, and I would love to have ready access to chickens that were raised in decent conditions. Only time will tell, I guess.Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-7053463743154472192011-08-18T15:31:36.460-07:002011-08-18T15:31:36.460-07:00I've found it surprisingly uncomplicated to ra...I've found it surprisingly uncomplicated to raise an animal for meat and slit its throat myself. I have pets that I adore, but the livestock (only poultry thus far) are definitely in another category - not family. I think I'm pretty conscientious about caring for my livestock, both hens and meat birds. Yet somehow I don't have any problem killing them when it's time. I don'Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18017959421018964001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-1766508284099723152011-08-16T17:55:10.858-07:002011-08-16T17:55:10.858-07:00Holly: Bring on the 5,000-word blog post! I'd ...Holly: Bring on the 5,000-word blog post! I'd be happy to read it.Nancynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-37974889604145605952011-08-16T15:11:56.783-07:002011-08-16T15:11:56.783-07:00Al: There were other quotes too, like this one: &q...Al: There were other quotes too, like this one: "(A)nimal research is certainly more defensible than eating creatures because they are tasty or shooting them for sport." Personally, I would argue that basic sustenance is more important than research. Shooting animals just for "sport" isn't high on my list either. He might have been referencing hunters who kill but don'Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-22084113019501015872011-08-16T10:56:19.088-07:002011-08-16T10:56:19.088-07:00Good review Holly,
As I have expresed and taught b...Good review Holly,<br />As I have expresed and taught before "some are family, some are for frying".<br /><br />I think the mouse example is astute and very useful as it highlights the constructed juxtapostion in animal ethics within the same space.<br /><br />I am not anti-ag across the board, I try my best to buy from local 'ethical producers'. I am trying to avoid supporting Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03976781165809973234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-65370819168492915952011-08-16T10:05:08.618-07:002011-08-16T10:05:08.618-07:00Great review. Sounds like an interesting book. I...Great review. Sounds like an interesting book. I don't know if we're exactly hypocritical when it comes to how we think about different animals differently, but it sure is non-rational.<br /><br />And you sure grabbed an interesting quote about hunting. If that was one of the few mentions, it seemed like he was essentially saying "cockfighters are almost as bad as hunters or Al Cambronnehttp://www.alcambronne.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-27794966677856423702011-08-16T08:41:45.495-07:002011-08-16T08:41:45.495-07:00Deus: I constantly marvel at the fact that most pe...Deus: I constantly marvel at the fact that most people, if left on their own, could not feed themselves. They don't know how to turn animals into meat, don't know what plants they can eat. With the supports of civilization, of course, this is no big deal, but it seems to me to be a serious flaw.<br /><br />Tovar: Thanks, and I know exactly what you mean - I was ready to write this post a Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-29879906667917415232011-08-16T06:12:13.269-07:002011-08-16T06:12:13.269-07:00It might seem weird, but not when you think of hum...It might seem weird, but not when you think of humans as tribal creatures. We act the same way about humans. We agonize over putting a serial killer to death, but a missile that kills several warlords in Iraq doesn't even make the news. In the hunter-gatherer tribes I've read about, keeping animals as pets is common and they'd never eat animals they have raised, but they eat other Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262730156552874803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-64012805678938469802011-08-16T04:18:22.981-07:002011-08-16T04:18:22.981-07:00That's "a new blog post really will APPEA...That's "a new blog post really will APPEAR someday soon."Tovar@AMindfulCarnivorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02786679920725797712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-34297599422299614982011-08-16T04:17:26.707-07:002011-08-16T04:17:26.707-07:00Great review, Holly. I love the details you picked...Great review, Holly. I love the details you picked out, in connection to hunting and otherwise.<br /><br />Btw, reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. A new blog post really will someday soon. I'm just neck-deep in book edits, etc, hopefully including enough painful self-examination to please folks like you. ;-)Tovar@AMindfulCarnivorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02786679920725797712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-56998094897206763642011-08-16T03:03:21.988-07:002011-08-16T03:03:21.988-07:00I, too, am amazed that more people who won't r...I, too, am amazed that more people who won't raise their own animals for meat. I am, as you seem to be, of the belief that in Nature everything eats and gets eaten. People are squeamish and want someone else to do their dirty work ... this applies to many areas of our society not just food. <br /><br />My girls know that the baby rabbits and broiler chickens will be food. We give them theDeus Ex Machinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05425336387322313716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-37809927388587789422011-08-15T22:43:21.972-07:002011-08-15T22:43:21.972-07:00Once you're in that situation of raising meat ...Once you're in that situation of raising meat animals, you create the moral construct that allows it. I cried the first time I saw one of our animals being killed, but after eating chicken pot pie that night, I never cried again.<br /><br />I really enjoyed reading a book that looked at our human foibles so honestly. I'm such a sucker for painful self-examination! :-)Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-61212822896834167292011-08-15T21:49:52.429-07:002011-08-15T21:49:52.429-07:00Wow! You have such an interesting insight in to th...Wow! You have such an interesting insight in to this book given that you're a hunter. It sounds like the relationship hunters have with their prey would make for interesting research! <br /><br />You said, "It also explains why I might never raise animals for meat, despite the fact that I grew up in a household that did so: I'm not sure I could keep an animal in my care (making it trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688001590373132381noreply@blogger.com