tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post4172260368362204136..comments2024-03-10T01:57:38.017-08:00Comments on NorCal Cazadora: Ahem, there are GIRLS in the room!Holly Heyserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-74126098614622051062010-01-31T13:04:17.131-08:002010-01-31T13:04:17.131-08:00My wife is an attractive and intelligent woman; sh...My wife is an attractive and intelligent woman; she also works in the outdoor sports industry. I accompany her to trade shows and she and I have a wonderful time critiquing the "booth bait" as she refers to them.<br /><br />My wife has never once been threatened by the "babes". She has been intimidated and thoroughly peeved by the way many of the men in the booths treat her. &Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-11192505941279603712010-01-31T02:44:49.705-08:002010-01-31T02:44:49.705-08:00John, thanks for coming by. I don't usually pi...John, thanks for coming by. I don't usually pick battles like this, but I thought it was important to say.<br /><br />It's also important to note that I've said in three places now that my quarrel is with Field & Stream deciding this was important content for its audience, not with SHOT (private show) or the vendors (I don't have to patronize them).<br /><br />I can't Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-30061133028613379372010-01-30T21:26:44.284-08:002010-01-30T21:26:44.284-08:00I said on the F&S blog and I'll say it her...I said on the F&S blog and I'll say it here. You should really pick your battles. I do not now nor have I ever patronized the F&S booth babe pics. After all the brouha about them, I checked it out. Aside from one or two women who were either richly blessed by their creator or had good plastic surgeons, most of the women were tastefully dressed. I have seen 12 and 13 year old girls Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-71163944935868556222010-01-29T22:52:26.249-08:002010-01-29T22:52:26.249-08:00Ms. Heyser:
You write intelligently and I've b...Ms. Heyser:<br />You write intelligently and I've bookmarked your site to stop by occasionally and read more of your material. Perhaps Mr. Licata will provide you with more opportunities to discuss hunting topics. <br /><br />Mr. Love:<br />I'm disappointed that your viewpoint was developed at the expense of the women employed by the SHOT Show exhibitors and vendors. If they're Edward J. Palumbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-39093598036388197032010-01-29T13:16:28.559-08:002010-01-29T13:16:28.559-08:00Yep, saw that coming. Nope, don't enjoy it. St...Yep, saw that coming. Nope, don't enjoy it. Strength? I'm sure I'll find it somewhere.<br /><br />BTW, my post about the post (geez, like a house of mirrors, isn't it?) is <a href="http://norcalcazadora.blogspot.com/2010/01/f-booth-babe-saga-continues.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-25567353758636379442010-01-29T12:46:10.791-08:002010-01-29T12:46:10.791-08:00Wow Holly, the comments over there are getting vic...Wow Holly, the comments over there are getting vicious. You are a stronger woman than I for wading into that mess!Hilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13775749994796917520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-34397913997189879392010-01-29T11:28:26.329-08:002010-01-29T11:28:26.329-08:00All right, well, I'll post this separately too...All right, well, I'll post this separately too, but to all you commenters, check this out: F&S invited me to write a sort of "op ed" for their Field Notes blog. Click <a href="http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/guns/2010/01/why-i-hate-booth-babe-story-guest-editorial-holly-heyser#comments" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and prepare to enjoy the comments (which I braced myself for...).Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-4640156347038943312010-01-29T10:36:59.639-08:002010-01-29T10:36:59.639-08:00HH, you've hit the target dead center once aga...HH, you've hit the target dead center once again...I just sent this on to a guy who writes an auto blog and had a post about a tire maker who puts out a risque calendar every year...latest one was two models wearing a single tire....I'm sure consumers looking for a safe ride for their families must appreciate that kind of flexibility....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-68790049053982537322010-01-29T08:56:23.432-08:002010-01-29T08:56:23.432-08:00I've been in and out here - I haven't comm...I've been in and out here - I haven't commented yet because I'm having trouble putting my thoughts into coherent sentences. <br /><br />Booth babes irritate me. Not the "babes" themselves, but the concept - for all the good reasons other people have left here and for one more thing too... I intend to teach my son to respect women, not view them as a piece of desirable meat Blessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00029860506890356566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-84196684574736819442010-01-28T19:14:43.436-08:002010-01-28T19:14:43.436-08:00I'm an auto show "booth babe" who ex...I'm an auto show "booth babe" who experiences this kind os skeeviness from men every day, in person. If you're interested, check out my blog <a href="http://doyoucomewiththecar.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">DoYou Come with the Car</a> - I'd love to hear your thoughts!Do You Come with the Car?https://www.blogger.com/profile/13678001737124941327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-61059183849324708072010-01-28T15:09:23.219-08:002010-01-28T15:09:23.219-08:00I have nothing more to add than what's already...I have nothing more to add than what's already been so eloquently said here already... other than to say a) that Hooter's outfit HAS to go (or get updated) and b) what the hell was she doing at the SHOT show anyway? Seriously?DarrenMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292236956207462996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-2729962258087796652010-01-28T13:56:09.540-08:002010-01-28T13:56:09.540-08:00Hi Holly,
I love the post. I am one of the PR wome...Hi Holly,<br />I love the post. I am one of the PR women of the shooting, hunting and fishing industry. I spent three days working hard at SHOT this year with my new client Columbia Sportswear. I have several other women friends in the industry who know equally well how to run a computer, communicate and a skin a deer and blast birds. Overall, I think most men in the industry do respect us for Sue Melushttp://www.melusoutdoors.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-71653037443989594222010-01-28T11:02:31.578-08:002010-01-28T11:02:31.578-08:00Well said, and great and thoughtful comments in re...Well said, and great and thoughtful comments in response! <br /><br />We had a F&S subscription for years at our house. As serious hunters, we BOTH felt that we didn't want to continue to allow that kind of dribble and sexism in our home. <br /><br />As a female hunter and recovering anorexic, I find what F&S is doing to be not only deplorable but also wilfully damaging to the women Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08077677066902349111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-34545772837191704872010-01-28T10:03:06.447-08:002010-01-28T10:03:06.447-08:00Damn, the more I read this thread, a thought occur...Damn, the more I read this thread, a thought occurs to me that I wish had occurred last week, when I had my barely used camera bouncing over my shoulder...<br /><br />I could have done a REAL booth babes piece. I mean, think about it... <br /><br />First of all, there's Kirstie of Prois, the ladies at SHE Safari, and the beautiful ladies behind Foxy Huntress. These ladies aren't just Philliphttp://www.hog-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-29858722192345967752010-01-28T09:53:01.179-08:002010-01-28T09:53:01.179-08:00Thanks Stacey and SJB!
And Mike: I wasn't at ...Thanks Stacey and SJB!<br /><br />And Mike: I wasn't at SHOT this year, but I did notice that the F&S gallery contained shots of women who looked like they might actually really work for these companies.<br /><br />For the benefit of folks here, click <a href="http://www.mikehanback.com/blog/index.cfm/2010/1/25/SHOT-Show-2010" rel="nofollow">here</a> to see Mike's blog about SHOT.<br Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-4578242654085402412010-01-28T09:44:12.906-08:002010-01-28T09:44:12.906-08:00Well stated, Holly!Well stated, Holly!SJB Imageryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17192531241342477114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-44789772476134843832010-01-28T09:38:34.361-08:002010-01-28T09:38:34.361-08:00Funny, when I posted my 2010 SHOT review at my Big...Funny, when I posted my 2010 SHOT review at my Big Deer Blog a few days back I mentioned "I noticed fewer scantily clad, large-breasted" ladies manning the booths this year than in years past, "not that I was looking." Hmm, maybe I was wrong and they were still out there in force peddling their wares... Anyhow Holly, good job, love your blog voice.mike hanbackhttp://www.mikehanback.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-84631951447562219802010-01-28T09:11:05.098-08:002010-01-28T09:11:05.098-08:00Well said Holly.. thank youWell said Holly.. thank youStacey Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14735896924805332261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-90358865498925942852010-01-28T08:46:20.265-08:002010-01-28T08:46:20.265-08:00Oh, Deb, Babes with Bullets had to be next to THAT...Oh, Deb, Babes with Bullets had to be next to THAT? Man, had I been there, I would've written about the tragic juxtaposition. "We're teaching women to shoot" next to "we're using women to get your attention." Sigh.<br /><br />Hil: Women <em>my</em> age are holding steady, but the "baby boom" of female hunters is constantly graduating into our ranks - I Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-68942183934365291572010-01-28T08:30:44.572-08:002010-01-28T08:30:44.572-08:00Greg's right, F&S is just appealing to the...Greg's right, F&S is just appealing to the huge majority of their demographic. Our readership is something like 97% male and I would assume F&S's is not far off that. I wish we had more female readers, but the reality is that we just DON'T and the percentage isn't like to change anytime soon, judging by the evidence that women hunters are not growing in numbers like we allHilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13775749994796917520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-53953795084877328982010-01-28T08:23:42.452-08:002010-01-28T08:23:42.452-08:00Having attended SHOT Show 2010 our booth was right...Having attended SHOT Show 2010 our booth was right next to one of the 7' banners highlighting a beautiful (and breast bountiful) woman laying on a motorcycle with a rifle strapped across her stomach. I had the big banner moved down the lobby hallway as it was not only a traffic problem; it also set a bad precedent for what we offer in our ladies handgun camps (avg. camper age is 44 and Deb Fernshttp://www.babeswithbullets.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-53737838902217503192010-01-28T07:38:22.632-08:002010-01-28T07:38:22.632-08:00Josh and Tovar: Wicked good last lines there!
Tov...Josh and Tovar: Wicked good last lines there!<br /><br />Tovar: My cringing comes from having been around a fair number of women who are still fighting the battles of the '70s. Women have come a long way since then - the issues aren't the same. IMHO. I know I didn't face even a tiny fraction of the battles my female predecessors faced in newsrooms.Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-67018388212680443652010-01-28T07:33:51.477-08:002010-01-28T07:33:51.477-08:00Hey Holly -
Tons of good comments have preceded m...Hey Holly -<br /><br />Tons of good comments have preceded mine, so I won't go repeating what others have said...except to say "great post."<br /><br />I understand the marketing psychology. I believe it works. And I find it offensive, both in the messages it conveys about you as women and in it what it assumes about us as men.<br /><br />I think it's too bad that "feminismTovar@AMindfulCarnivorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02786679920725797712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-50451871098135272492010-01-28T07:31:09.781-08:002010-01-28T07:31:09.781-08:00Great post, Holly, and a great reminder about the ...Great post, Holly, and a great reminder about the responsibility that comes from the freedom of the internet.<br /><br />I am reminded of something a friend of mine told me. She used to work for a national PR firm for organic products, and would attend the annual trade shows. On her way to one, I asked her what it was like, and she made some funny comments, including:<br />There is always Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409883521642115031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5478505267875308908.post-14650610615525724032010-01-28T07:16:26.779-08:002010-01-28T07:16:26.779-08:00I figured you support those. The comment was dire...I figured you support those. The comment was directed at others that read your blog. It's a shame how many partake of a resource and do nothing in return whether it be supporting an organization or volunteering at a refuge.Greg Damitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12681672410404222333noreply@blogger.com